beretta 92x centurion vs glock 19

Anyone interested feel free to go over to http://www.ammoguide.com and check my loads – every one of which is a REAL load, that has been REALLY tested….kind of NOT like the impression the author of this article left me with respect to his involvement with some friend’s Rock Island. Where do you get this stuff? Yup. Some a cheap and some are not, but just because it doesn’t say colt on it, it can still be a great firearm. I believe the term “Hit and Miss” is apropos. This has improved after he started using CMC/Shooting Star magazines. I t breaks at a crisp 4 lbs. If you break a gun in and are sure you’ve got good mags but, it’s still failing, then it’s time to check in with the manufacturer. None of the complaints you have for the RIA, and it’s freakin’ sweet. As far as accuracy goes I cant complain as I do as well as People with Colts or Kimbers at the Range once I got used to the Sights and how the Pistol shoots. Well it looks like I kicked the hornets nest on this one. I finally contacted the service manager and he got 4 people in the loop to resolve my situation. I mean dang. I did have to send my TCM back due to a light I don’t know enough about their process to comment, if the feed ramp is hand polished, which may well be the case where labor is cheap, then there’s that. All the reviews I’ve seen at Buds where I bought it were positive and I would stake my life on it’s performance at this point. I think with all these comments the original story should be revisited. The response of incredulity at the experience this fool raved about is evident judging by the litany of responses received. Man up. RIA has a solution for a malfunctioning pistol, it is called email Ivan or Ty at armscor, they will send you Have you considered a lower grip? This holds true with cars as well as guns, one not necessarily less reliable than the other. I think the last $700.00 new gun(“POS” Governor – read TTAG review, I and my wife love it) I got from S&W has a one year warr. So we have here maybe a 1911 SNOB!!!! I own several Armscor 1911’s and NONE of them behave the way you describe…unless you don’t know how to lube the gun, at which point, it will behave just like that. Not as accurate as the P220 but I’ll take reliability over multimeters of accuracy anyday. I use $8 Mil Spec 7 round Mags and can shoot 300 rounds in an afternoon flawlessly. I used to have the 3.5 Officers model totally stock. …oh and by the way the fact that you so obviously desperately *wanted* the Cabot to work well for you and were willing to report it didn’t, puts you a cut above the sycophantic fanboys. Also eats any ammo I throw at it. Because fan boys who grew up listening to daddy and granpa’s war stories or watched black n white 40s-50s WW2 movies on saturday TV still wet the bed over them. I guess like everything else you can get good ones and bad ones. If the comments here are a good sample (and I’m sure they aren’t) it seems about 30-50 percent of RIAs are crap right out of the box and the others are decent to good. I wear bifocals and am in my mid 60’s, never competed but I bet I could out shoot you any day….You obviously are being paid to give Rock Island bad reviews. Blackie. Also got a box of hollowpoints for my 9×18 that upon inspection appeared to be standard FMJ that had been drill pressed to creat the hollow point. There is a joy to shooting a full size 45 with a metal frame that is absent from it’s polymer cousins. Yes, that makes perfect sense. Bright,shiney and slick. Have to agree this guy and his friends have no clue how to shoot a 1911. I shot the best group of my handgunning life out of it. If I get a failure, I search for the cause, and fix it. And less of a b!tch about a couple of rough edges. If either Dan or JWT feel I’ve “shit on” them, I suspect each of them is mature enough to demand an apology – one I’ll offer without reservation. See Tanner, all firearms are finicky. I have never had a problem with I’ve had the same experience with Llamas. Does everything a1911 was designed to do. market, the M57 is configured to fire the original 7. They are courteous, professional and always willing to listen. An update and perhaps and updated review would be nice. Second if you don’t know how to hold a 1911 they will stove pipe and have feed issues and that’s any 1911 I can do this on request if someone wants to know its possible. Geesh. Always shoots well at the range. In fact I avoid everything Remington makes these days if I can avoid it. It’s extra punch makes it another round with good stopping power and it shoots straight for a good distance with less windage problems than the 9mm.The 357 Colt revolver is a great combat weapon in very dirty or wet conditions! Dan was kind enough to send me his personal Rock Island Armory GI Standard FS .45ACP, a three-year-old gun with about 500 rounds through it.” Did Dan not experience these issues in the first 500 rounds? LOL, quality…hmmm…..maybe you should ask STI where they get their base frames for their 1911 pistols…………why would STI, who makes wonderful pistols, use RI 1911 frames……. I have fired at least three thousand rounds through Mine from cheap factory loads to the expensive self defense loads and My own reloads and never had a problem with feeding issues. Going to put in a 24# spring as brass flys 20 feet. Basing your opinion on a friend’s 3-year-old gun that’s gone through god knows what in that timeframe is plain asinine. Looks like an older model. I have witnessed persons shot several times with a 9mm still keep on their feet if the shots missed the heart, spine or brain. No matter which one you ask about, you’ll get one of two sets of responses: “Mine was a turd” followed by “well, gee, mine works great” or, alternately, “mine works great” followed by “really? The problem with this review is that it is 4 years old. I wish I could get anouther for $320 out the door like I did years ago. For guidance I refer to Kuhnhausen. If you’re shooting five inch groups across a living room with yours and calling that “good” then we’ve solved one problem. Out of the 3 RIA 1911s I’ve had, 2 ran flawlessly and the other would choke on damn near anything at least once per mag. Gloves, really??? Seems the reviews on RIA 1911s are 50/50 they either perform really well or are just garbage. I put red nail polish on the front sight and it is good enough. That is fact…..can’t limp wrist these or you will have issues. one of them. He reports good reliability after some break in failures to feed. The review is not biased. 7) Send gun to ARMSCOR for repairs Try armscor ammo. This very same review could be written of the Colts during the 80’s. Probablly snatched up by the Brass before anybody knew. I don’t own one but I have been reading a lot of reviews and it is NUTS that you published this crap! Sometimes wonder if I should have picked one up instead of my used glock 23. I think a comparison to pickup trucks or 4X4s also applies. That was 2 years and several hundred rounds ago. Fortunately, I just picked up a pair of Kryptek Gunslinger gloves on the recommendation of a professional shooter. 4 are Ruger SR1911s. I work for a gunsmithing business in Orange County California. I didn’t say GI Style or just 1911. I don’t think I have seen too many people with an issue with FTFeed using ball. At this point I am happy as a clam. For $134 dollars more, I purchased a new Ruger SR1911. I’ll add my two cents: I’ve put around 300 rounds through my GI R/I 1911 without a FTF/FTE. I wonder how the recoil would compare to the sr45. A 1911 has exactly SEVEN operational parts in the “FCG” – two being springs. You might be happier with an RIA TAC-level model. It’s not my favorite handgun but I do enjoy it and would highly recommend one for anyone on a budget. An American manufacturer would’ve rejected half of the parts, but that’s not the way they do things in the Philippines. I have a Rock Island 1911 45 and I love it. Their magazines are particularly solid. The Warr. What “doesn’t add up” is that you seem to have gotten stuck with a RIA 1911 that doesn’t just have one problem, it seems to have ALL the problems. I don’t know how. And if you want a GI 1911, buy one, maybe that says Colt on the side of it. '” His answer: “Hi-Point.”. As it turned out, the front sight on the RIA slide was offset about 0.007″ to the left, and the rear sight was offset about 0.008″ to the right. If you dont, then shame on you for not doing your home work. Like he’s getting paid for it . I have put close to 1000 rounds through the pistol with NO issues. Former gun slinger, current gun writer. Feeds all ammo reliably and is crazy accurate. The Rock Island Armory GI Standard FS isn’t a beauty contest winner by any means, but that doesn’t mean it won’t shoot. I’ve seen commentators saying there’s something off about the review though, which bothers me. I own and shoot 1911’s by Kimber, Springfield, Colt, Para, and Wilson so I know a little about how a good 1911 should look, feel, and shoot. I put in 20 years in the military, and have been shooting for over 67 years. The difference between a Wilson Combat and a Rock Island is a lot of money, and they don’t let Wilsons out into the wild that suck. At least Ruger makes a pretty reliable and cheap .45. I don’t deny that a stripper 1911 might be a problem child, but my experience has been totally different. Paul, speaking for myself, something did seem “off” about the review simply because JWT’s experience shooting this pistol was the exact opposite of everything I’ve experienced with my own and read about this model. Semer Fi Devildog, OOHRAH. In a few hundred rounds it has never malfunctioned. It’s always enlightening to see how many people are emotionally invested in their choice of firearm. The GI sights are too small for me to use well. I took some 2k grit paper and then flitz to the feed ramp. I suspect there are parts of this gun still out of spec. The Winchester ammo still had occasional problems. in conclusion I would put my Compact and my F.S up against my Colts ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. I can’t say it was %100 reliable. I mentioned it in passing on the RIA FB page. After that I run a few boxes of various types ammo thru several different magazines to see how it performs. I have one mfg’d by Armscor with a High Standard name on it. Even with the GI-style non-adjustable (tiny) sights. Feeding Remington ammo resulted a first round failure to feed every time. It is what it is. It kind of leaked into my mindset for all things. I’d much rather see a review of one produced recently, picked at random from an LGS, That would be a fair review, and one all of us could at least call “fair”. Hope it was a fluke. I still have the The 9mm on the other hand is not as reliable at stopping an enemy. I haven’t followed up on that. I recently got back into 1911’s again, and currently carry a Para Elite Carry, which has run well for me so far. Ad hominem comments from people who’s defensiveness implies, whether they want it to or not, that they concede this author’s point may be valid. I also love that there is old blood still on my tailgate. Own a GLOCK 21 that out of the box with dry lube , pumped 100 rds at range into the 9 and 10 ring at 25 yds on cheap reloads.My buddies Kimber Custom out of the box and after being checked and oiled, CHOKED ON rds 6, 17,20, 31, 42,43,54,57,60,71- yes 1/10 rds! Even on Wally World Federal aluminum or Tula metal casing crap. Hmmm, you’d still have $9115 left for pistolsmithing over the Cabot. Send yours back. It was a no-frills Commander size pistol, parkerized w/ fixed sights. I took a drift punch and began to work on the dent. Removed the buffer, left the spring, functions beautifully again. This gives me a chance to evaluate what issues may need to be corrected. Also hiting a 10 inch group between 30 to 45 yards which for the price i’m extremely happy with. Does that then mean that ALL Kimbers are junk, because you have a dislike of them? I have owned two Colts through the years and have had my full sized Rock Island Armory .45 almost three years. finish and fit are excellent. It is a review of a 3 year old used gun that should have been sent in for repair years ago. But he would not elaborate on it. Maybe as my eyes continue to age, i will get a fiberoptic dovetailed on the front. What’s interesting is that it’s advertised as a 16+1 but, I can actually get 17+1 in. I do prefer machined parts vs cast and USA vs Import..but that does not negate knowing the basics of handling the weapon at hand. IWB Glock 19 W RDS and X300U-A. Then one day not long after that I machined an 80% 1911 frame, and, as a test for it, I tried to use the RIA parts from my factory pistol to complete my build. Assembled 12-08-06 / fired and empty ctg. That, and all manner of plastic pistols have about as much personality as a hammer. Ed Brown and his son are crooks and will not honor their warranties on their high-end junk. I’ve been itching to try one myself for a while, so I emailed a request to TTAG command for a base model in .45ACP most riki-tik . The round blew a hole in the crate, tore off the pistol grips and left a huge dent in the main frame of the pistol, made its exit through the wall and went on its merry way. …and brass doesn’t? At the end of the day I’ll take the Sig over the RIA…but the RIA does have a special place in my heart. Two years and 1000+ rounds later and it still shoots anything. Okay. In school and all that. And you DO a review on it. 10 yds i chewed out the x on a LEO silhouette. Thank you! That has got to be the funniest thing that I have ever read on this site. I have 3 mags and I can actually load an entire box of 50. Cleaned it up and sent another 100 down. One thing that makes me scratch my head though, is when people say “It fires every time I pull the trigger.” I fiugre they mean that as a way of saying “it works reliably” but if so it’s a bit of a poor turn of phrase, since the most common fail with 1911s (and many other semi-autos, for that matter) seems to be failure to feed, not a failure of a round in battery to go off. I would be curious to the history of that particular pistol, especially how well it was initially cleaned to get rid of the factory preservative as well as the round count on it prior to the test. You can pick them up for under 400 now: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411552921/TISAS+Classic+1911-A1+45ACP+5%22+GI+BLACK. It’s always enlightening to see how many people are emotionally invested in their choice of firearm. There was an accidental discharge of an M1 in my shop( out in the country), this is also a lesson in gun safety for those who care. I have seen a few who had FTFeed with hollow-points. If you are interested in my review of the RIA 1911 FS Tactical (2nd Generation), please go to http://guntoters.com/blog/2015/12/05/rock-island-armory-armscor-1911-fs-tactical-2nd-generation-owners-review/. Overpenetration is a huge issue with ball 9mm. With the slide off i could see the huge dent left by the 30/06 round. I had a RIA GI three years ago it was not a very good gun would not go into battery mag sticking main locking pin coming loose. Turned out that was exactly what it needed, and though I still had 2 failures to feed at the match with over 100 rounds fired, it was a great improvement. – maybe the anti crowd has a point or two. I just bought a newer (2016) RIA 1911 FS GI and it worked well for the first 50 rounds, then during the next 100, it had a failure to fee and failure to return to battery. If you wanted to spend $500 on a 1911 and you got a good one, rock on! They are knocked off their feet immediately if standing when struck. Two returns to Colt accomplished nothing. It’s like Kel Tecs. If I had found this review before I ordered, it would not changed my mind at all. Been on the range twice in a week, the second time I fired 75 rounds and never experienced any trouble. I just wanted to throw this out there as it appears some of the comments that were made were based on speculation. Practice responsible gun owner ship and go practice at a local range. Shot infrequently. Damfino, because all I really have to go on is what people say on the internet. It really is too bad to hear otherwise. I know a couple guys who have one and LOVE them. If you buy a $300 dollar gun don’t expect it to run like a $1000 dollar gun out of the box. . Well well well. I have to wonder about this review. Nothing a set of Heinie straight-8s and a cerakote job couldn’t fix. It is an awesome firearm !!! It shoots better than the Colt 1911 manufactured in 1944 that I was issued when I was in the Army. Well, to be fair back in 1980, nobody else in North America was building 1911 pattern handguns, so ANY 1911 was going to say Colt on the slide, unless one happened upon a military cast-off from the Great War(s). This holster fits 100 % perfect, and the material Kydex is perfect for this kind of holsters. The point of aim was off, but i fixed it with the new sight. Some are finicky with certain ammo out of the box. It is missing more than a few wish-list items like ambidextrous thumb safeties, and extended beaver tails. Also pay lots of attention to ammo type…if you intend to carry it with hollowpoints, FGS make sure it has a reputation for working well with hollowpoints. Generally speaking, when the SHTF your gonna need to know your guns anyway, so take the time to learn a bit along the way. 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