capacity or more bullets is better, you have to admit having bigger bullets and having more bullets on tap are both worthy considerations when choosing one gun over the other. That is good. Not every confrontation is going to be 'range based'. Yes, 45ACP with defensive loads and .40 S&W with defensive loads do more terminal damage than 9mm with defensive loads. Now Springfield is offering an XDS .40 cal. I love both rounds, but after seeing so many shootouts on liveleak, I have come to the conclusion that you are probably going to miss more than you think so have more rounds than you think you need. Heavier bullets have more momentum at the same velocity as a lighter bullet. I am currently looking into a kimber ultra carry ii or a sig p938. 1300+ FPS in my Glock 30. Today's 45s aren't that slow. But as I wrote before, I will be sent to jali for that and I dont like small places :D But if cost IS an issue, then a well placed shot with a high grain 9mm FMJ is better than a poorly placed .45—what I mean is that you have to get your time in at the range. Terms of Service apply. Tanks, trucks, rifles, the UK's ability to actually fight a war was incredibly damaged and near unsurvivable had the Germans pressed an attack. No one in their right mind willingly chooses to use FMJs in a pistol or rifle for self-defense. I don't believe that MEN can Kill the SOUL....It's GOD BREATHED Genesis 2:7.... and since the "SOUL" is "GOD-BREATHED", then The SOUL is "IMMORTAL".! In a 6 feet or less fire fight, if I have not subdued my attacker in 7 rounds. Listen--great article but here are thedsalient poinyts. This isnt a pride of ownership statement either. But the 10mm has the speed of the 9mm & is even faster & has the power of a .357 mag ---- .41 mag depending on the ammo you buy... Plus it holds 15+1.... You have the triple package. That being said, a hit with the .45 negates having larger mags, unless there's lot's of bad guys if of course. Soul people go to hell. I don't think a ATTACKER/HOME INVADER will know the difference between a 9mm or a 45cal to the HEAD, NECK or a double tap in the CHEST!! Skeet shooting and duck hunting are his all-time favorite hobbies, but he's more than ready to talk your ear off about collecting and sport shooting as well. In the majority of the states, anything more than 2 rounds down range puts in in the pin for excessive force! There is absolutely nothing more effective. Mass is an important factor! Call me crazy but home defense SCREAMS for a good ole Mossberg cruiser with a nice laser sight and maybe a strong, blinding flashlight for perps' who go 'bump in the night' into your coffee table. I can only say this: When your life - and the lives you protect - depend on 18 ready available bullets, you’re going to wish for more. A shift to the right or left could clear the background behind them. Whether it’s a 4.5-inch pistol barrel, a mid-length carbine barrel or a full 16-inch straight profile barrel, Right To Bear has the quality American-made barrel you need. The first one is indirect evidence. And honestly the 357magnum puts em both to shame. In this situation, you’ll be glad that you have the faster follow-up speed and a larger magazine capacity of the 9mm. 9mm do not penetrate deeper on average. DO YOU WANT TO LIVE ? 20 ~ 30% accuracy, you have got to be kidding? According to a report released in 2014, the 9mm was preferred in the field because of the following: Considering all of the advantages of the 9mm, why would anyone want to use the .45 ACP? Many independent studies have been done about actual combat shooting accuracy. Aside from that, aren't they using the same bullet technology on .45 as they are on 9mm? A direct hit to the heart or aortic arch can take as long as 8 seconds to result in unconsciousness. The 9mm has to have much higher velocity to have the same momentum as a 45. Why not buy a double stack 1911, like my ParaOrdnance p14-45? Speed, power & high capacity.... Hope I was some help.... Not a lick of science in this article. Talk to you soon, The other point is shoot someone in the hand with a 9 he drop his gun shoot them with a 45 they will drop their hand. In case you actually see this, if you are wondering about self defense in the home, you need a shotgun. Practice practice and take a gun class to learn the law. The 9mm has caught up with new bullet technology, but there’s no disputing that a big fat round will still do some serious damage. The best home defense round of all time is a good old 12 gauge 2 3/4" low brass #6 shot. It currently seems to be a little hard to find but if anything, according to the Lucky Gunner data, it meets if not surpasses your testing criteria when compared to the home defense rounds mentioned here. The campground lot got sold. OTOH their .45 testing showed a much higher max muzzle energy with a number of rounds considerably over 600 ft lb, and had far more rounds (23 rounds) coming in over 500 ft lb. Okay, this isn't very convincing one way or another, so I decided to go to both the Lucky Gunner website and Ballistics.101 for data on the calibers. Over penetration should not be an issue. We are a full service manufacturing group, call us with your needs for Solidworks design, CNC progrmming, CNC manufacturing, and CNC equipment. As to increased penetration, this is only really a concern for LE. https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/03/9mm-40-45-acp-stopping-power/ Meets NRA standard for good on wear, less than a 1000 round fired, no questions asked return...for $399. A 9mm will sting ya but a 45 will break your ribs.... Just my two cents. Fragmentation occurs reliably in high-velocity projectile wounds (impact velocity in excess of 2,000 feet per second) inflicted by soft or hollow point bullets. Locally we are seeing a lot of police involved shootings using 9mm, and they empty the clip almost every time. First mag size for home or personal defense holds no water! Allow me to offer a suggestion (well not a suggestion as the FBI state's so)..the FBI did not drop the .40 cal due to the improvement in .9mm ammo. I am. The situation is now dissolved without any bystanders in the background getting injured. No longer carry a 1911, I now prefer Glock. Modern ammo has not only benefited the 9mm. I have to say I like them all from 22 to 500 Smith. question, A lighter round traveling faster than a heavy round, if the difference is substantial enough, will carry similar energy. For example, a "45 caliber" firearm has a barrel diameter of roughly 0.45 inches (11 mm). If not please remember Grand Theft Auto is just a video game, not real life. A big, fat, 230 grain hollow point at that speed will drop the MF faster than a 9mm any day of the week.. My state has a 10 round limit. The 45: Has more JHP expansion, More knock down power(even with a FMJ). I think rather than going to the 9mm to mask the underlying problem, they should put $$$ into teaching cops how to shoot.”. http://www.ballistics101.com/9mm.php I don't think the debate will ever be answered. As one coroner I heard from said, he's never seen a .357 Magnum leave a body and he's never seen a .44 Magnum stay in one. It’s got a barrel length of 16 inches and overall length only tops at 35.43 inches. As a Patrol Officer I have seen both in action in the real world, not the bull crap settings of a test range. Over penetration matters in public too. At such a distance a 45 round would be a lot more effective than a 9. I like that you said that the 9mm pistol is ideal for open and concealed carry. For a carry I use a compact 45. I am an American and although I am proud of America and her accomplishments, I surely would never discredit any of the Allies contributions to victory in either World War. Why would a European war require Brits to fight for the U. S. We helped you with your war, you didn’t help us with our war. ps I have always thought, why do "they" argue the 9mm hollowpoints advanced and are the same performance as 45 now. With bigger bores, you need only worry about the reliability of your hollow point expanding (after going through material) and going 10–12 inches or so in the body to avoid over/under-penetration. Good show all. What ever cal. While a 9mm is discussing the situation A 45ACP ends the Debate.....with prejudice. I keep my 870 close by for those rats that might want to drop by uninvited... Hello everyone, 30% is being nice. The only good news is that those gunfights are extremely rare. The same gap between the 9mm vs 45 still exists. And no the target is not shooting back so the stress level is low. That means 2-3 hits per mag in 9mm vs 1-2 hits in .45 ACP. It’s still creating a bigger wound and crushing more tissue. My local shop had a deal I couldn't resist on an M&P 45, full size though. I am really leaning toward the dog in a .45 it also comes in 9mm though for who likes that. For compact or subcompact pistols I tend to favor 9mm due to recoil considerations in the smaller, lighter guns, and the magazine capacity limitations. If there's bears...I'd go with bear spray first. 2. Lmao. It usually takes longer for lung and lower toro hits to produce the same results. Learn all the important stuff about handguns...with none of the attitude. .357 SIG has the fastest velocity by far, but is in the middle of the pack with .40 S&W. The truth is both velocity and mass increase penetration just as both increase energy, but this is what we have to realize. The Wild Bill Hickok method of gun fighting: rapidly draw your gun, calmly stand your ground, carefully aim and press the trigger, observe the target fall, holster your gun, turnaround and walk away. Since the penetration is an average of 14″, this round would likely be fine (no over-penetration) in longer barrels as well. Read on to see how we chose our recommendations of the best ammo for home defense and target shooting. For the United Kingdom, after Dunkirk, the UK lost basically everything. Owning at least 1 9mm seems practical though, as availability of ammo is likely even in a SHTF situation. That's up in 10mm territory! One thing I see a lot of people point to as proof that the 9mm is nearly identical to the .45 ACP in performance is the FBI testing protocol. My plan is to magazine dump the pistol towards the threat, en route to my Colt M4, then lay down a wall of suppressive fire until the police respond to my alarm. BTW, I like the 9mm and .45 pretty much equally and have both calibers. ... A one-piece full-length National Match guide rod and 5" stainless steel bull barrel offer superb reliability and precision. The average penetration is as follows: .380 ACP (14.9"), 9mm (17.1"), .40 S&W (17.9"), .357 SIG (18.0"), .45 ACP (18.1"), and 10mm (18.9"). 9mm is a better beginners and plinkers gun and 45acp is more for someone experienced thats wants to lay the smack down. If you are using ap rounds in a home defense scenario and your shot goes through a wall and hits your neighbor, good luck justifying it in court. This brings the weight in at just over two pounds, 33.2 ounces, to be exact. Never have owned a .45 before...wanted a compact handgun as plan to travel the USA in the fall. First to mention, we are limited to FMJ rounds, no HP no JHP, just plain FMJ. Both kills, but one kills instantly, the other allows for return fire from your attacker. Really? Curious comment. Yea! With that being said it all lies on personal preference. Last time I saw the statistics on it, most domestic self defense gun fights occur in 6 or less feet. I take my Colt Gold Cup in .45ACP any day over a typical 9mm pistol. Haven't gotten to test drive it yet...soon, real soon. Need more.? I keep ARX 118 grain ammo in my Glock 30 (10+1) which is 45ACP. The reality is that 30% is on the high side. 45cals are GREAT and so are 9mm, but If you Hit a ATTACKER IN the NECK or CHEST with a 9mm he is not going to say, "It's only a 9mm let me finish attacking this person". Like Barbarossa said..nothing unnerves a man more than some son of a bitch that stands when he ahould be running. You should measure from the beginning of your chamber to wear the first compensation hole is at in the barrel. Sure enough, it is certainly more destructive from what I've seen. As to why heavier projectiles penetrate more than light ones, given similar shapes, is due to conservation of energy. This is a great article period.! So, if you only have a few seconds to fire, then you may not discharge any more rounds from the 9mm handgun than you did from a.45 ACP handgun. So I'm an operating room nurse in a level 1 trauma center. Can't go wrong with that. Look at 5.56 vs 7.62 - the 5.56 makes havoc (spinning widely) when it enters the body which results in way more damage than the difference in diameter. Whichever caliber you shoot most accurately. They want a 210 or better the 1st time through and then you get back to work. The domestic manufacture of war material was not remotely able to resupply the entire UK armed forces. This is the true reasons behind the FBI changing back to the 9mm. lbs. Otherwise, Therefore, you need more powder to get that terminal velocity at the muzzle. You fire at the armed person/s and take down the threat. "My husband doesn't like the sound of loud guns".....For Christ sakes, get him a pellet gun. Find a Retailer. You ask why? Four 50 round boxes or 200 rounds for $300. Bullets which strike the human body, yet do not hit the Central Nervous System rely upon blood loss to drop blood pressure and cause incapacitation. When it comes to generating energy, all things being equal, increasing velocity does this more quickly than increasing mass. Many say that it is all about round placement, true, but I have seen .45 rounds place in none critical areas and still knock the person off theor feet. If you do find it in stock, you learn that only LE can order it. Drop to a knee which will angle your bullet trajectory upwards and if the rounds exit his body they should be travelling in a safe direction. Overall, the pistol comes in at a hair over seven inches. However, I am getting an M&P9 2.0 for my daily carry. Plus, I think the just plain weight of the 45 carries more "oomph". You need fewer rounds to do the job so you don’t get excessive force charge , so that rules out the capacity as being a decision factor in the debate . Bottom line, the FBI testing protocol and testing results are really more examples of government inefficiency, and should not be held in such high regard in my opinion. From the days of the trusty Colt M1911 to modern .45 caliber handguns like the Glock G21 and the Sig Sauer P220, the .45 ACP has always been one of the most reliable calibers on the market. Most clowns that shoot at you arent steady.Theyre nervous and excited.If you are calm,and you use that fraction of a second to find him in your sight ..one shot from a 45 will end the situation. This will eliminate the threat on fewer rounds. Let me know what you end up choosing. Due to all of these factors, law enforcement orders of 9mm ammo from all major ammunition manufacturers have spiked significantly. It was also made clear that the almost same effectiveness of 9mm compared to .40 S&W and .45 ACP was due to the high quality of 9mm ammunition available. If not, you may shot again but not before. When choosing between the two, also consider which gun feels better in your hand. As mentioned by another person's comment above, any more than a couple of rounds down range may escalate the possibility of your prosecution, (Unless you are against multiple attackers.). lbs. If not then 9mm is an amazing option now. The same tech that has caught the 9mm up to the 45 has made the 45 even more superior. lbs. We really have the best there can be in terms of equipment so learning to employ them is the big issue other than defense against democrats. Muzzle velocity is key. Contrary to world-wide teaching, not one of us was born (or created) in the "image and likeness of God." Any high penetration rounds for handguns beyond fmj are usually considered as "armor piercing" and therefore illegal in the us. Funny thing though, the administrators weren't the ones facing the enemy and while the 38LC was easy to shoot (basically a 9mm Luger ballistic wise), it did not stop determined attackers so the Army re-issued the 45 Long Colt. I guarantee it's not something you'll want to do again any time soon. I could not agree with you more on every level. The debate over the 9mm and .45 ACP is one of the most heated conversations in the firearms community. Most ATTACKERS even if not mortally wounded will address thier WOUND TRY to save THIER LIFE & not get SHOT Again!! What happens if you miss the first shot which is very likely. Did the "suspects" who had 9mm rounds bounce off of them happen to be wearing red underwear and a big "S" on their chest. I had one patient shot 11 times with what looked like a .380 or 9mm, hard to tell on xray. What do you think? Its not about hitting something or someone behind the assailant, it's about hitting something through the wall and the garden fence behind the assailant. Sure, they will both do the job, but a fatter heavier bullet is better for man stopping. From the days of the trusty Colt M1911 to. No way in hell can the 9mm possibly ever match the .45, or even the .40 S&W, at stopping people. That’s where the .357 SIG comes into play. Ive loved the 45 since my Marine Corps days 50 years ago. practice once a month, and can do 6" group at 8-10 meters with pistol... as far as pretty, get the desert camo... and I had money left over for ammo. Plus a couple places to buy it for cheap! Now that being said the 9mm has its place in a high performance situation. You’re welcome. Here are more tips on how to. 130 gr VS 230 gr HPs at 1000 fps. Engaging, defensive and cover fire; they all require lots of bullets. 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With many possibilities to choose from including the popular free floating handguard, you will find just what you need to help give you more control when using your rifle and get the most accuracy. I'm removing that link since it looks like it was redirected. About "You’re welcome Europe"... well, it could be useffull to open History books : France made the biggest part of the job, with England, during WW1. Wondering why Winchester Ranger-T wasn't mentioned? One of the GREAT things about FIREARMS in AMERICA is VARIETY!! If so, another one which should lead to enough blood pressure drop to lose consciousness. Modern .45 acp is overkill against most targets (which isn't a bad thing in itself, but better to have the extra capacity if you don't really have to trade a significant reduction in lethality for it). I started shooting at age 8 I am now 64, aferter seeing many debates on this topic, here is my own opinion the best pistol or rifle for self defense is the one that you can shoot the best. Or shooting people in the back while they are running away. Thank you! It’s the perfect grab-and-go handgun to fire in close quarters where recoil won’t pose such a problem. (Adding my own word here: in other words, once a bullet hits the nearly 2000 FPS mark, temporary wound cavity matters) The whole point of a defensive firearm is to STOP an attacker as quickly as possible. I'm sure when you wrote your "9mm vs .45 ACP" article back in April 2017, your link labeled "canceled out in some states" did go to "smartgunlaws.org" where their information on gun laws was displayed. 50%? The best bullet will fail, if shot placement is poor. But, because they get less than 12" of penetration in ballistic gel, they are not tested. If a 9mm fails, it won't perform anywhere close to an unexpanded .45 and will punch a tony hole. The faster bullet will move an artery out of the way where a slower bullet like .45 will take the artery out . Also buy a super bright flash light it will help you see and blind the intruder. I also carry .357 Sig In the winter time for thicker clothing on my would be enemies. The U.S. Navy was the last branch of service to go to the 9mm. More misinformation about the 9mm vs 45. But a 9mm is going to be nearly as effective as a .45 ACP in almost any circumstance if the shot is a hit to the chest or to a limb. My father is a Doctor and interning in the E.R. 1911 anyone? The righteous banded together to defeat evil as this was surely the will of God himself. I would recon my 5 or close to 6 inch barrel Walther p 22 loaded with them with rapid shots would do okay . yeah...you say the 9mm bullet has gotten better, but in reality both have gotten better. Bottom line though... all are great weapons. The truth is…neither gun has a total advantage over the other one, and your personal preferences will play a lot in determining which handgun is for you. It's this ability of 9mm to produce enough energy and not over penetrate which makes me think it competes with the big guys. The .44 Spl is almost the same power as .45 ACP, but again has the rimmed cartridge. I want harm for nobody, and especially me and mine, too. Only because it's easier to hide. Please test .44 Special +P loads and .44 Magnum self defense loads for 2.5" .44 magnum snub nose concealed carry handguns. There is a plethora of loads in both 9mm and .45 that do a better job of expanding and out perform the FBI test rounds in nearly every way. I'm dead. Very informative article! We condense it down into the absolute best .45 ACP ammo from the results. As far as I know it shouldn't be...but I would still check with your local laws. Not in California and some other states that stop you a 10 rounds mags. It was from NY so it had the 6lb trigger versus MA compliant 10.5lb trigger which is legal to purchase. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. The Aero Survival rifle has a 16.25-inch barrel, bringing the overall length of the weapon to 29.5 inches. death) 92+%, 9mm is just over 50%. 9mm and .45 ACP come in a huge range of flavors, some that are amazing for home defense or EDC and some that are best for punching holes in paper – no matter what caliber you pick, we got you covered in our Best 9mm Ammo and Best .45 ACP Ammo reviews. Hi Holmes, you're right. Here are more tips on how to shoot more accurately. This is criminal. Just not before he stabs you to death. At the range firing groups the HSTs were just about the same in the accuracy department as the Rangers. Hi Eric, Is the Speer LE Gold Dot 45 auto 230 Gr (53966) legal for civilian use in California? The one that works best for you is the best choice. This would most likely result in you firing at the assailant in a less accurate fashion as well as possibly harming others. ), , and 10mm (650 ft. They went back to the .9mm due to the fact that the new meat in the FBI were not man or woman enuff to handle the .40. I bought it for my wife close to 40 years ago, then she decided not to shoot anymore, sad and not so safe. Many handgun enthusiasts believe that bigger is, in fact, better and love everything that the .45 ACP has to offer. It feels good in the hand, is built like a tank, and definitely a 'cool' looking piece. Just feel more secure with that big fat slow round. Now how about the best .45 ACP ammo for practice and the range? Enough to spawn sayings you’ll see all over forums (and t-shirts). Law Enforcement model. I guess the only improved ammo is the .9mm? I just purchased an S&W .45 single stack. Seriously, people think that the 9mm rounds are the only that made progress in development. Mass times velocity is momentum. Since defensive rounds aren't an option, you'll want the highest grain bullet you can get, in a soft point wadcutter—which I don't think are even available in 9mm or .45 ACP. Many shooters like to have the .45 ACP for home defense. So now I’m starting with AE first. some info is well hidden for obvious reasons. If you're afraid of what's behind your target you shouldn't be shooting in the first place. I will always have a 1911, because it is my favorite gun to shoot. One ammo for all. I split the difference, .357 Sig gives you the same number of rounds per mag as the .40 but with the ballistics of a .357 magnum. But no more. This doesn't mean I don't own a 9mm. While the 147gr Federal HST expanded from 9mm (roughly .35cal) to on average 15mm or .61″, the .45 ACP expanded from (again, roughly) 11.5mm to 25mm (.45″ to 1″). I will always favor 45 Acp over 9mm. And why JHP rounds for self-defense? Thanks for the one sided argument. So, here is the STRAIGHT skinny on the 9x19mm v .45ACP debate. But apples to apples the 45 will always be a superior round. purchase helps support my work in bringing you more awesome gun and gear articles. * lighter recoil faster follow up shot (see above) When reporting on this event: CNN, USA Today, NPR, Business Insider, CBS Chicago, and the New York Times published articles that described the protector’s AR-15 as a gun or rifle. With boxes of 9mm Luger rounds being 30 to 40% cheaper than .45 ACP ammo, increased range time isn’t going to break your budget; and after all, spending more time on the range does make you a better marksman. Even if you think size > capacity or more bullets is better, you have to admit having bigger bullets and having more bullets on tap are both worthy considerations when choosing one gun over the other. That is good. Not every confrontation is going to be 'range based'. Yes, 45ACP with defensive loads and .40 S&W with defensive loads do more terminal damage than 9mm with defensive loads. Now Springfield is offering an XDS .40 cal. I love both rounds, but after seeing so many shootouts on liveleak, I have come to the conclusion that you are probably going to miss more than you think so have more rounds than you think you need. Heavier bullets have more momentum at the same velocity as a lighter bullet. I am currently looking into a kimber ultra carry ii or a sig p938. 1300+ FPS in my Glock 30. Today's 45s aren't that slow. But as I wrote before, I will be sent to jali for that and I dont like small places :D But if cost IS an issue, then a well placed shot with a high grain 9mm FMJ is better than a poorly placed .45—what I mean is that you have to get your time in at the range. Terms of Service apply. Tanks, trucks, rifles, the UK's ability to actually fight a war was incredibly damaged and near unsurvivable had the Germans pressed an attack. No one in their right mind willingly chooses to use FMJs in a pistol or rifle for self-defense. I don't believe that MEN can Kill the SOUL....It's GOD BREATHED Genesis 2:7.... and since the "SOUL" is "GOD-BREATHED", then The SOUL is "IMMORTAL".! In a 6 feet or less fire fight, if I have not subdued my attacker in 7 rounds. Listen--great article but here are thedsalient poinyts. This isnt a pride of ownership statement either. But the 10mm has the speed of the 9mm & is even faster & has the power of a .357 mag ---- .41 mag depending on the ammo you buy... Plus it holds 15+1.... You have the triple package. That being said, a hit with the .45 negates having larger mags, unless there's lot's of bad guys if of course. Soul people go to hell. I don't think a ATTACKER/HOME INVADER will know the difference between a 9mm or a 45cal to the HEAD, NECK or a double tap in the CHEST!! Skeet shooting and duck hunting are his all-time favorite hobbies, but he's more than ready to talk your ear off about collecting and sport shooting as well. In the majority of the states, anything more than 2 rounds down range puts in in the pin for excessive force! There is absolutely nothing more effective. Mass is an important factor! Call me crazy but home defense SCREAMS for a good ole Mossberg cruiser with a nice laser sight and maybe a strong, blinding flashlight for perps' who go 'bump in the night' into your coffee table. I can only say this: When your life - and the lives you protect - depend on 18 ready available bullets, you’re going to wish for more. A shift to the right or left could clear the background behind them. Whether it’s a 4.5-inch pistol barrel, a mid-length carbine barrel or a full 16-inch straight profile barrel, Right To Bear has the quality American-made barrel you need. The first one is indirect evidence. And honestly the 357magnum puts em both to shame. In this situation, you’ll be glad that you have the faster follow-up speed and a larger magazine capacity of the 9mm. 9mm do not penetrate deeper on average. DO YOU WANT TO LIVE ? 20 ~ 30% accuracy, you have got to be kidding? According to a report released in 2014, the 9mm was preferred in the field because of the following: Considering all of the advantages of the 9mm, why would anyone want to use the .45 ACP? Many independent studies have been done about actual combat shooting accuracy. Aside from that, aren't they using the same bullet technology on .45 as they are on 9mm? A direct hit to the heart or aortic arch can take as long as 8 seconds to result in unconsciousness. The 9mm has to have much higher velocity to have the same momentum as a 45. Why not buy a double stack 1911, like my ParaOrdnance p14-45? Speed, power & high capacity.... Hope I was some help.... Not a lick of science in this article. Talk to you soon, The other point is shoot someone in the hand with a 9 he drop his gun shoot them with a 45 they will drop their hand. In case you actually see this, if you are wondering about self defense in the home, you need a shotgun. Practice practice and take a gun class to learn the law. The 9mm has caught up with new bullet technology, but there’s no disputing that a big fat round will still do some serious damage. The best home defense round of all time is a good old 12 gauge 2 3/4" low brass #6 shot. It currently seems to be a little hard to find but if anything, according to the Lucky Gunner data, it meets if not surpasses your testing criteria when compared to the home defense rounds mentioned here. The campground lot got sold. OTOH their .45 testing showed a much higher max muzzle energy with a number of rounds considerably over 600 ft lb, and had far more rounds (23 rounds) coming in over 500 ft lb. Okay, this isn't very convincing one way or another, so I decided to go to both the Lucky Gunner website and Ballistics.101 for data on the calibers. Over penetration should not be an issue. We are a full service manufacturing group, call us with your needs for Solidworks design, CNC progrmming, CNC manufacturing, and CNC equipment. As to increased penetration, this is only really a concern for LE. https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/03/9mm-40-45-acp-stopping-power/ Meets NRA standard for good on wear, less than a 1000 round fired, no questions asked return...for $399. A 9mm will sting ya but a 45 will break your ribs.... Just my two cents. Fragmentation occurs reliably in high-velocity projectile wounds (impact velocity in excess of 2,000 feet per second) inflicted by soft or hollow point bullets. Locally we are seeing a lot of police involved shootings using 9mm, and they empty the clip almost every time. First mag size for home or personal defense holds no water! Allow me to offer a suggestion (well not a suggestion as the FBI state's so)..the FBI did not drop the .40 cal due to the improvement in .9mm ammo. I am. The situation is now dissolved without any bystanders in the background getting injured. No longer carry a 1911, I now prefer Glock. Modern ammo has not only benefited the 9mm. I have to say I like them all from 22 to 500 Smith. question, A lighter round traveling faster than a heavy round, if the difference is substantial enough, will carry similar energy. For example, a "45 caliber" firearm has a barrel diameter of roughly 0.45 inches (11 mm). If not please remember Grand Theft Auto is just a video game, not real life. A big, fat, 230 grain hollow point at that speed will drop the MF faster than a 9mm any day of the week.. My state has a 10 round limit. The 45: Has more JHP expansion, More knock down power(even with a FMJ). I think rather than going to the 9mm to mask the underlying problem, they should put $$$ into teaching cops how to shoot.”. http://www.ballistics101.com/9mm.php I don't think the debate will ever be answered. As one coroner I heard from said, he's never seen a .357 Magnum leave a body and he's never seen a .44 Magnum stay in one. It’s got a barrel length of 16 inches and overall length only tops at 35.43 inches. As a Patrol Officer I have seen both in action in the real world, not the bull crap settings of a test range. Over penetration matters in public too. At such a distance a 45 round would be a lot more effective than a 9. I like that you said that the 9mm pistol is ideal for open and concealed carry. For a carry I use a compact 45. I am an American and although I am proud of America and her accomplishments, I surely would never discredit any of the Allies contributions to victory in either World War. Why would a European war require Brits to fight for the U. S. We helped you with your war, you didn’t help us with our war. ps I have always thought, why do "they" argue the 9mm hollowpoints advanced and are the same performance as 45 now. With bigger bores, you need only worry about the reliability of your hollow point expanding (after going through material) and going 10–12 inches or so in the body to avoid over/under-penetration. Good show all. What ever cal. While a 9mm is discussing the situation A 45ACP ends the Debate.....with prejudice. I keep my 870 close by for those rats that might want to drop by uninvited... Hello everyone, 30% is being nice. The only good news is that those gunfights are extremely rare. The same gap between the 9mm vs 45 still exists. And no the target is not shooting back so the stress level is low. That means 2-3 hits per mag in 9mm vs 1-2 hits in .45 ACP. It’s still creating a bigger wound and crushing more tissue. My local shop had a deal I couldn't resist on an M&P 45, full size though. I am really leaning toward the dog in a .45 it also comes in 9mm though for who likes that. For compact or subcompact pistols I tend to favor 9mm due to recoil considerations in the smaller, lighter guns, and the magazine capacity limitations. If there's bears...I'd go with bear spray first. 2. Lmao. It usually takes longer for lung and lower toro hits to produce the same results. Learn all the important stuff about handguns...with none of the attitude. .357 SIG has the fastest velocity by far, but is in the middle of the pack with .40 S&W. The truth is both velocity and mass increase penetration just as both increase energy, but this is what we have to realize. The Wild Bill Hickok method of gun fighting: rapidly draw your gun, calmly stand your ground, carefully aim and press the trigger, observe the target fall, holster your gun, turnaround and walk away. Since the penetration is an average of 14″, this round would likely be fine (no over-penetration) in longer barrels as well. Read on to see how we chose our recommendations of the best ammo for home defense and target shooting. For the United Kingdom, after Dunkirk, the UK lost basically everything. Owning at least 1 9mm seems practical though, as availability of ammo is likely even in a SHTF situation. That's up in 10mm territory! One thing I see a lot of people point to as proof that the 9mm is nearly identical to the .45 ACP in performance is the FBI testing protocol. My plan is to magazine dump the pistol towards the threat, en route to my Colt M4, then lay down a wall of suppressive fire until the police respond to my alarm. BTW, I like the 9mm and .45 pretty much equally and have both calibers. ... A one-piece full-length National Match guide rod and 5" stainless steel bull barrel offer superb reliability and precision. The average penetration is as follows: .380 ACP (14.9"), 9mm (17.1"), .40 S&W (17.9"), .357 SIG (18.0"), .45 ACP (18.1"), and 10mm (18.9"). 9mm is a better beginners and plinkers gun and 45acp is more for someone experienced thats wants to lay the smack down. If you are using ap rounds in a home defense scenario and your shot goes through a wall and hits your neighbor, good luck justifying it in court. This brings the weight in at just over two pounds, 33.2 ounces, to be exact. Never have owned a .45 before...wanted a compact handgun as plan to travel the USA in the fall. First to mention, we are limited to FMJ rounds, no HP no JHP, just plain FMJ. Both kills, but one kills instantly, the other allows for return fire from your attacker. Really? Curious comment. Yea! With that being said it all lies on personal preference. Last time I saw the statistics on it, most domestic self defense gun fights occur in 6 or less feet. I take my Colt Gold Cup in .45ACP any day over a typical 9mm pistol. Haven't gotten to test drive it yet...soon, real soon. Need more.? I keep ARX 118 grain ammo in my Glock 30 (10+1) which is 45ACP. The reality is that 30% is on the high side. 45cals are GREAT and so are 9mm, but If you Hit a ATTACKER IN the NECK or CHEST with a 9mm he is not going to say, "It's only a 9mm let me finish attacking this person". Like Barbarossa said..nothing unnerves a man more than some son of a bitch that stands when he ahould be running. You should measure from the beginning of your chamber to wear the first compensation hole is at in the barrel. Sure enough, it is certainly more destructive from what I've seen. As to why heavier projectiles penetrate more than light ones, given similar shapes, is due to conservation of energy. This is a great article period.! So, if you only have a few seconds to fire, then you may not discharge any more rounds from the 9mm handgun than you did from a.45 ACP handgun. So I'm an operating room nurse in a level 1 trauma center. Can't go wrong with that. Look at 5.56 vs 7.62 - the 5.56 makes havoc (spinning widely) when it enters the body which results in way more damage than the difference in diameter. Whichever caliber you shoot most accurately. They want a 210 or better the 1st time through and then you get back to work. The domestic manufacture of war material was not remotely able to resupply the entire UK armed forces. This is the true reasons behind the FBI changing back to the 9mm. lbs. Otherwise, Therefore, you need more powder to get that terminal velocity at the muzzle. You fire at the armed person/s and take down the threat. "My husband doesn't like the sound of loud guns".....For Christ sakes, get him a pellet gun. Find a Retailer. You ask why? Four 50 round boxes or 200 rounds for $300. Bullets which strike the human body, yet do not hit the Central Nervous System rely upon blood loss to drop blood pressure and cause incapacitation. When it comes to generating energy, all things being equal, increasing velocity does this more quickly than increasing mass. Many say that it is all about round placement, true, but I have seen .45 rounds place in none critical areas and still knock the person off theor feet. If you do find it in stock, you learn that only LE can order it. Drop to a knee which will angle your bullet trajectory upwards and if the rounds exit his body they should be travelling in a safe direction. Overall, the pistol comes in at a hair over seven inches. However, I am getting an M&P9 2.0 for my daily carry. Plus, I think the just plain weight of the 45 carries more "oomph". You need fewer rounds to do the job so you don’t get excessive force charge , so that rules out the capacity as being a decision factor in the debate . Bottom line, the FBI testing protocol and testing results are really more examples of government inefficiency, and should not be held in such high regard in my opinion. From the days of the trusty Colt M1911 to modern .45 caliber handguns like the Glock G21 and the Sig Sauer P220, the .45 ACP has always been one of the most reliable calibers on the market. Most clowns that shoot at you arent steady.Theyre nervous and excited.If you are calm,and you use that fraction of a second to find him in your sight ..one shot from a 45 will end the situation. This will eliminate the threat on fewer rounds. Let me know what you end up choosing. Due to all of these factors, law enforcement orders of 9mm ammo from all major ammunition manufacturers have spiked significantly. It was also made clear that the almost same effectiveness of 9mm compared to .40 S&W and .45 ACP was due to the high quality of 9mm ammunition available. If not, you may shot again but not before. When choosing between the two, also consider which gun feels better in your hand. As mentioned by another person's comment above, any more than a couple of rounds down range may escalate the possibility of your prosecution, (Unless you are against multiple attackers.). lbs. If not then 9mm is an amazing option now. The same tech that has caught the 9mm up to the 45 has made the 45 even more superior. lbs. We really have the best there can be in terms of equipment so learning to employ them is the big issue other than defense against democrats. Muzzle velocity is key. Contrary to world-wide teaching, not one of us was born (or created) in the "image and likeness of God." Any high penetration rounds for handguns beyond fmj are usually considered as "armor piercing" and therefore illegal in the us. Funny thing though, the administrators weren't the ones facing the enemy and while the 38LC was easy to shoot (basically a 9mm Luger ballistic wise), it did not stop determined attackers so the Army re-issued the 45 Long Colt. I guarantee it's not something you'll want to do again any time soon. I could not agree with you more on every level. The debate over the 9mm and .45 ACP is one of the most heated conversations in the firearms community. Most ATTACKERS even if not mortally wounded will address thier WOUND TRY to save THIER LIFE & not get SHOT Again!! What happens if you miss the first shot which is very likely. Did the "suspects" who had 9mm rounds bounce off of them happen to be wearing red underwear and a big "S" on their chest. I had one patient shot 11 times with what looked like a .380 or 9mm, hard to tell on xray. What do you think? Its not about hitting something or someone behind the assailant, it's about hitting something through the wall and the garden fence behind the assailant. Sure, they will both do the job, but a fatter heavier bullet is better for man stopping. From the days of the trusty Colt M1911 to. No way in hell can the 9mm possibly ever match the .45, or even the .40 S&W, at stopping people. That’s where the .357 SIG comes into play. Ive loved the 45 since my Marine Corps days 50 years ago. practice once a month, and can do 6" group at 8-10 meters with pistol... as far as pretty, get the desert camo... and I had money left over for ammo. Plus a couple places to buy it for cheap! Now that being said the 9mm has its place in a high performance situation. You’re welcome. Here are more tips on how to. 130 gr VS 230 gr HPs at 1000 fps. Engaging, defensive and cover fire; they all require lots of bullets. 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